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ABM 25-Jun-2018
WHAT'S THE ISSUE?
A slight botchup ensued in 2018 with the Sunday 50 over final.
It was washed out by rain.
When the Management Committee tried to reschedule it for the following Sunday, the leading team objected that this was not allowed under the rules and that the rules said washout equals leading team wins.
The other team who qualified in a lower position on the ladder were naturally keen to play (this at least gave them a (sporting) chance to win the game).
There were some other issues about members of a team going overseas and an outstanding bill but these are complications not relevant to the discussion of playing regulations.
In the end the Sunday 50 over final was not rescheduled. The leading team were made premiers.
DISCUSSION
There might be a few holes in the Regulations.
- Sunday Regulation 27.5 says the *venue* is the Management Committee's choice. According to the dictionary meaning, "venue" specifically refers to place rather than time. This only relates to allocating the location for the finals and not changing the date.
- The leading team's argument was that Sunday Regulation 28.1 says "if match is a tie then result is highest on the ladder" so washout means the same outcome. This is a weak argument since the result of the final *was not* a tie. It was match abandoned.
- Regulation 27.3 about determining placings does not help much since it refers specifically to "semi-finals".
- Regulation 28.2 says in any case of dispute the Management Committee gets to decide the outcome of the final(s).
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| From Sunday Warehouse Rules |
It must be admitted that these rules were based on the Warehouse Sunday 50 over comp.
They do cover the issue of abandoned finals (see Reg 3(c)).
The wording is interesting.... if 1st place/minor premiers are defeated in a semi final and the final is, say, 2nd v 4th and THEN IT IS abandoned/washed out, then 1st place (aka minor premiers) become premiers..... wow!
MORE DISCUSSION
- Just looking at Regulation 15.5 in the Saturday Playing Regulations has given me a shiver too. It doesn't say anything about what happens if grand final is a washout other than Premiers are determined "by points as in regulation 10.29 excluding bonus points".
- Reg 10.29 says match abandoned = 2 points each... so that wouldn't help decide.
- Regulation 15.4 establishes a hierarchy based determination of placings (similar to Sunday regulation 27.3) but the term 'placings' implies it's about deciding semi-finalists rather than premiers.
- Luckily Saturday Regulation 15.6 gives the Management Committee overriding decision authority as in Sunday Regulation 28.2.
- Sat Reg 15.4 already refers to 'placings'.
- In the event of a total washout of a grand final for the Saturday Competition, do we want to be able to stage a replay on a 'reserve day'? Usually there's no available weekends due to Easter/School Holidays/football/some reason or other.
- The easiest way for teams to end up on the same points is a final where no first innings result is achieved. Bonus points do not count according to Reg 15.5.1
- The following proposal for Reg 15.5 says that in the event that teams in a semi final or final end up on the same points then winner is decided as in Reg 15.4
- Reg 15.6 gives the Management Committee considerable powers to make up something to deal with an unusual circumstance. I'm sure they would do their best to be fair to each team.
Regarding the Sunday 50 Over Regulations
Adam Brady has proposed that we add provisions in the 50 over comp playing regulations for:
1) A reserve day for the final
2) That the premiership will not be awarded if a club is not financial.
and proposed to change playing regulation 28.1 to “If the final ends in a tie, is abandoned or there is no result, the highest ranked team of the finalists at the end of the preliminary matches will be determined as the Premiers.”
The following proposal for Sunday Reg 27.3 says that placings (for either semi final or final) (rather than the much more complex 'right to play in the semi-final') are determined by the factors listed. This is more consistent and simple language.
The following proposal for Sunday Reg 27.5 makes it clear that both venue and date can be varied by Management Committee decision regardless of cause. Of course this includes washouts, unavailability of grounds, convenience of teams and players or any other circumstances that might arise. This allows a reserve day (be it planned or... otherwise).
SIDE NOTE:
Note that Sunday 50 Over Regs use the terms SEMI-FINAL and FINAL and the Saturday Regulations use the terms PLAY OFF MATCHES and PREMIERSHIP MATCHES. This should be fixed but it's too much for now....
Super 20 Finals Reg 21 is a mess.
PROPOSALS
Sunday 50 Over Regulations
| EXISTING REGULATIONS | PROPOSED NEW REGULATION |
| DETERMINATION OF PLACINGS AND WINNERS | (No change) |
| 27.3 In the event of teams finishing on equal points, the right to play in the semi-final will be determined as follows: | 27.3 In the event of teams finishing on equal points, the placings will be determined as follows: |
| 27.3.1 The team with the most number of wins and ties. | (No change) |
| 27.3.2 The team with the most number of wins over the other team(s). | (No change) |
| 27.3.3 The team with the highest net run rate. | (No change) |
| 27.3.3.1 In a match declared no result, run rate is not applicable. | (No change) |
| VENUE FOR SEMI-FINAL AND FINAL | VENUE AND DATE FOR SEMI-FINAL AND FINAL |
| 27.5 The venue for all Semi-Final and Final matches will be determined by the Management Committee. | 27.5 The venue and date for all Semi-Final and Final matches will be determined by the Management Committee. |
| 28.1 If the Final ends in a tie, the highest ranked team of the finalists at the end of the Preliminary Matches will be determined as the Premiers. | If the final ends in a tie, is abandoned or there is no result, the highest placed team of the finalists at the end of the preliminary matches will be determined as the Premiers. |
Saturday Regulations
| EXISTING REGULATIONS | PROPOSED NEW REGULATION |
| (none) | 15.5.3 In any PLAY OFF MATCH or PREMIERSHIP MATCH in which both teams achieve the same points the winner will be decided as in regulation 15.4 |
ABM 2-Mar-2018
Revised 12-Jun-2018
Revised 12-Jun-2018
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